How do you see project or product managers fitting in to the four team topologies?

Chapter 5 mentions that "platform teams" should exhibit a fractal replication of the 4 overarching typologies. This seems to be one of the bigger pain points that I've seen, because often the platform team is created by cleaving off the engineers, but the much smaller headcount roles (such as PM/UX people) end up left behind in the customer-facing teams and the platform suffers "design by engineer" rather than user-centric design. Any suggestions on how to deal with this? Especially when you talk in chapter 6 about software cleavage planes? The imbalance of roles makes it very difficult to split without leaving one side underserved.

Chapter 5 mentions that "platform teams" should exhibit a fractal replication of the 4 overarching typologies. This seems to be one of the bigger pain points that I've seen, because often the platform team is created by cleaving off the engineers, but the much smaller headcount roles (such as PM/UX people) end up left behind in the customer-facing teams and the platform suffers "design by engineer" rather than user-centric design. Any suggestions on how to deal with this? Especially when you talk in chapter 6 about software cleavage planes? The imbalance of roles makes it very difficult to split without leaving one side underserved.

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Where does an on-call support responsibility fit into the TT model?

Is an enablement team typically comprised of staff borrowed from platform or stream teams?

FYI the AMA has kicked off. They'll be working through the questions above and answering.

Hi everyone 👋 🙂

Hi!

Looking back over the channel, I think the first question since the last AMA is this one: https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569373128152400

Looking back over the channel, I think the first question since the last AMA is this one: https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569373128152400

This was the next question, from @watling

This was the next question, from @watling

Okay, I will answer this question now: https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569628938167600

Okay, I will answer this question now: https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569628938167600

This one already had some great discussion going on!

This one already had some great discussion going on!

Next question is from @andrew :

Next question is from @andrew :

THe next question is from @chriscombe - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569662062179500

THe next question is from @chriscombe - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569662062179500

The next question if from @jerreck.moody - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569678165182500

The next question if from @jerreck.moody - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569678165182500

Next question from @anderson.kirstinm :

Next question from @anderson.kirstinm :

Next question - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569846781201500

Next question - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569846781201500

Next question is from @tmhall99 :

Next question is from @tmhall99 :

And the final question for the AMA today, also from @tmhall99 - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569854780207100

And the final question for the AMA today, also from @tmhall99 - https://itrevbookclub.slack.com/archives/CN8QF28C8/p1569854780207100

<!here> Great job @matthew and @manuel.pais!!!! Thank you! 🙏

Was fun, great questions!

Thanks, everyone!

Thanks a lot @matthew and @manuel.pais!