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Jerreck15:09:17

@matthew @manuel.pais what are the kind of job titles that you’ve typically seen on a platform team?

Manuel Pais - co-author of Team Topologies15:09:35

What I've seen tends to be pretty flat (not much job specialization): platform engineers, product owner (not often enough!), and tech lead

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Jerreck15:09:59

thanks! since you said not often enough, what are the advantages of having a product owner on a platform team?

James Heimbuck17:09:03

I gave a (biased because i am a product manager/owner) talk about why devops/platform teams should have a product manager involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jh1IjuWzMc. there are other better talks out there covering this on the ITRev youtube channel

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Manuel Pais - co-author of Team Topologies17:09:38

well, we should be treating the platform as a product so they def need product development skills

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Manuel Pais - co-author of Team Topologies17:09:51

doesn't have to be a product owner, ideally the whole team is empowered to make product decisions, but often that awareness is missing in very technical teams so having a product owner in the early stages can be a good start

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Jerreck17:09:56

good deal, thank again, sir. I thought you were going to say something along those lines about product owner but I wanted to hear your response without poisoning the well :)

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Matthew Skelton - co-author of Team Topologies19:09:04

So as Manuel says, the job titles should largely match the job titles outside a platform: * UX designer * Software engineer * Product manager * Test engineer * Data engineer * Designer * Deployment engineer Etc. It's all (or mostly) software now, so most teams and people should be arranged to adopt "digital" (software) approaches. At s minimum, all config is in version control.

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Jeffrey Fredrick12:09:02

looking for the retweet button

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Jerreck20:09:35

I found this presentation by Cornelia Davis very informative. It also lined up with what you were saying Matthew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuJSpp3hhA

Jerreck20:09:42

reminded me a lot of TT actually